Ah, i was figuring i'd export the static model with no anims so i could check the mapping, but i need to animate and skin it do i? Dang.

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Redo the skin, every vertex needs to be weighted to a bone.

Is it just me or do people simply refuse to read previous posts in a thread when posting their problems?

There are problems with the exporter that basically mean you cant have a mesh with more than one weighted bone in it and expect it to work in game. Robotronic is working hard to fix the problems so just hold up and stop posting the same things that other people have already posted. Next time try reading the last page or so of thread before posting to make sure youre not just adding to the clutter.

I did make every vertex only weighted to 1 bone! I ONLY HAVE 1 BONE!

Same old story in most forums where I've been ! :-/

I've taken the time to read the whole thread...
IMO it needs to be condensed to regroup the very usefull informations...

For memory this discussion is about "Model and Animation formats"
So I suggest the converter things to be exported in a specific thread which would be named "Converter XXX Dev" or something like that, where XXX is the name of the converter. (just like you did tpapp)

It's not my intention to push away Robotnic and other coders (I'll be one of their customers), but things are sometimes going a bit out of topic.
Then it becomes a pain to extract the essential data... (I'm a real noob at 3D)

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I won't offer to do this "cleansing" job cos' I don't feel good enough in summaryzing such topic I don't master (yet).

Although, modding SupComm requires lots of knowledges and tools.
In my specific case, I wish I could make a total conversion -alone for now- which supposes to do a big work (learning 3D and related tools, making CGs, learning LUA, coding, etc.).

I'd rely on SupComm fans's tools to create my own mod much more easier then...
But for now, I have to go back and learn how to make my own 3D units... until some question comes to my mind.

If you upload it I can take a look at it.

I fixed it by removing the skin modifier and re-adding it, i don't know why it worked since the weight table was identicle, but it appeared too. Now i have a different problem:

For some strange reason, the exporter has exported all the faces on the model with the wrong side, it's inverted all of the faces...
Halp?

Flip them in max?

Shouldn't it just be a matter of swapping a plus with a minus (or whatever the vector equivalent of that is) somewhere in the exporter? Turning textures inside out doesn't seem like a good long-term solution.

For someone who has minimal programming experience you've done a trully amazing job to get this exporter out so quick. I studied 3D art for 2 years at tertiary level and I still don't understand half this stuff (but I can make a wicked corkscrew ).

EDIT: Forgot to mention. I've contacted RAD Game Tools and politely asked if they would consider releasing a community version of their export plugins. I made a good argument that it would add significant value to their 'granny' framework by giving their customers (ie, GPG) more features and giving RAD free promotion at the same time. Its not like the exporter would do anything for you if you weren't a licence holder yourself or the customer of one.

Woo, it works. Now to wait for animation support.

spliff: its not the exporter that flips the model so is not a problem to fix, it works fine, it was just a problem 1 person was having, its worked fine with no problems for myself and alot of people you see

Kenetor

Well , I've had a few models where all the bones are positioned relative to the model, yet when exported they show up in reverse.

I got into max and change the position to say, x=15 to x= -15, it then works and shows up ingame in the right position. This has been true for most of the models I have working.

So how is the new exporter coming along robotronic?

I'm rewriting it. The current version was giving me so much problems. I'm ditching the skinmod idea. I'm going to treat each object in the scene as a seperate node. This should be easier for me and the exporter will be a lot faster. ( I hope)

Sweet Robotronic!! thats the way im used to doing it in unreal modding. i hope that isnt harder to do, cause it will make modeling and animating these things easier. it makes sense that way cause none of the models have percentile deformations in SC.

oh and about the problem with bones coming into the game backwards or offseted, it happens in unreal often (especially the flak cannon!), even if you exported it correctly sometimes certain nodes could be rotated by the code you were extending your weapon from.

so it might be something harded coded into that specific blueprint or elsewhere that your custom units code may be extended from... just my little theory.

So what you mean is that individual objects will be linked as a whole to their respective bones? I think thats a much better system.

I look forward to more updates on your progress.

Aye, that's much faster, especially for mechanical models.
It's a bit of a bitch for organics tho.

Making models for supcom will be _really_ easy.

The reason bone position isn't correct is because of broken code ;(



Objects in max will act like a bone. You only need to make every movable part a separate object, set its pivot (bone point) and link it to the parent object.



Organics will not be possible with scmexp2.0. I'm planning on going back to using skinmod because you have more control, I just need to figure out some sorting problems.

Tried thinking of a nice way to calculate the relative position and rotation of a bone today. Broke my brain with all the maths....

And then I found out you could do this:



I feel kinda stupid

The relative pos/rot was the biggest snag, now that I know this coding the rest should be easy. I hope to have a working version tomorrow.

Best news all week.

I suggest you keep the 'using seperate objects as bones' because it is much more efficient for mechanical models, wheras skinmod is much better for organics. If you could choose between the two, or even use a combination of the two with your exporter, it would be really, really good.

download: http://janvanderweg.com/supcom/scmtool0.9.zip

Exporter should fully work. Please test... oh god please test it and tell me everything works.

I left the old skinmod export script in there if you need it for some reason. To use the new exporter click on the "Export .SCM (object)" button.

Edit: Forgot to include the correct readme and example max file. Fixed now.

Sweet a new exporter. I should give it a try tonight with a simple tank or something. Might make a tutorial from it.

Awesome. I havent had a chance yet to put something in game but right off the bat you need to support linking objects to reference bones.

I don't see why? Reference bones should be at the end of the links. No supcom model that I've seen has normal bones linked to reference bones. If you really need this I'll try to add it.

I don't know if this is possible though since reference bones come after the normal bones. If a normal bone says its parent is a bone that comes after it in the list it might not load up correctly is supcom.

we now have a nice megathread for the exporter so please continue discussion in there!

http://forums.gaspowered.com/viewtopic.php?t=8582