They didn't dominate CLG, CLG should have beaten them if they didn't throw that second game. They had the read of them after the first game.

M5 got lucky in that they didn't have to play any of the Euro teams that have good records against them. AAA have never lost to them (4-0 I believe) and CLG.EU have also tended to beat them.

Can't wait to see CLG.EU in a tournament. They are the strongest team in the world right now in my opinion.

EDIT: Oh and by "every other tournament" you mean Kiev? :p

Also, AP Janna is my new favourite thing in the world.

I didn't watch half of the games, and the ones that I did tune into that featured M5 (including the finals) were absolute stomps. Mistaken opinion I suppose.

M5 did pretty much stomp everyone other than CLG at that tournament, you are perfectly right there.

AP janna is really fun yeah.... But i was soured on it by a single game I played on a smurf, vs a level 30 caitlyn in mid with full runes. That was NOT fun. I think the only other lane that was as horrible as that was playing rumble vs Yorick top, where he literally dived me at tower from full around level 6 because I couldn't do **** to him (He was level 6, I was decidedly not).

Playing horribly at the moment, and it's because I'm playing far too many different champions without sticking to any. I need to just start spamming ranked playing my best heroes to be honest. I have a bit of an aversion to play it though, just because it can end up being such a shitty waste of time.

Need to buy/learn some of the FoTM junglers as well. I only really play a decent jungle Nocturne.

If you can get a Morgana on your team and you're unafraid of a QSS, Master Yi with Surge can be pretty scary in teamfights, and if you're unconcerned about blowing surge, you can absolutely **** on the jungle and hurl yourself out of the trees in record time.

Furthermore, Jungle Kayle.
Juuungle Kayle!

This has always been one of my prioblems jungling. i love the jungle but I hate most of what the community and high-level players consider to be strong jungle picks.

Champs like Skarner, udyr and leesin are just boring to jungle with for me, and while most of my junglers aren't bad per-se, they tend to be niche champs and can't really hold a candle to the gods. The closest I have to a top-pick jungler is Maokai, but there is nothing worse than tank jungling for pubs. Nothing.

Have you tried Dr Mundo? If you keep proper track of when the enemy buffs will spawn, he counterjungles extremely fast and safely, and his ganks are anything but shabby too.

Alternately, master yi is the "farm the entire jungle all day, then pentakill the enemy" guy for normals...

Played them all. Mundo is hilarious but he also feels somewhat less useful come the 20 minute mark. It feels like you have to get fed, destroy the enemy jungler utterly and teach all 3 lanes the meaning of fear or you've lost your team the game.

Yi is just rather boring since more often than not you'll be running away rather than fighting, he needs to get lucky or his attempts at disruption will put him behind further than the other jungler and his lane support is very situational. To mix all that together with a CC-less squishy melee autoattacker leaves with a champ that has next to no gank presence, decent jungle presence and next to no teamfight presence post-transition. He's just bad; especially now that Fiora is out and is basically everything Yi could ever be, but useful.

Olaf is super fun and actually strong now. Think I'm going to save up the IP for him. Had him on NA but since I basically only play mid lane now I never bought him on EU.

I haven't actually jungled olaf since the changes, I did the math and realized the Q buff wouldn't actually change his early-level jungling in the slightest and that the ult change was actually a nerf.

He was very fun to take into midlane before they nerfed his ult. Make morgs rage all day.

I forgot how much fun playing malz on my level 23 EU account was. Stomping pubbies all day, every day.

New champion turns people into sheep. Sheep model size scales with transformed character model size. Cho'gath on dominion with surge. MEGASHEEP. (Apparently the polymorph animal also changes with skins. So that could be fun).

Also, it's a support designed by Xypherous.

Udyr is ******* ridiculous, I can't believe I never tried this monster before. Tankiest thing alive and absolutely dominates the jungle.

I always say that as well. Good luck jungling if you are amumu against a decent udyr..

(0/9/2 was my score last time that happened..)

Laning against Swain as Veigar is just fking stupid....

Ugh, I can't play Nasus anymore. The enemy just picks Fiora, and if I want to duel with that **** I have to pop Wither, at which point I have no more mana. She doesn't have to start boots-3pot, she can get Doran's blade and still be faster than me with more damage and HP, with sustain that's like the bastard lovechild of Warwick and Xin Zhao. You need your jungler to be totally dedicated to your lane just so that you can stay on even footing.

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Nasus is actually a really hard counter to fiora top. Just like anything else, bide your time and play passively, and you'll eventually win your lane really hard. Start cloth 5, play passively and respect the fact that fiora's level 1/2 dueling is some of the best in the game. If you don't feed her a kill pre-6 the lane is yours.

Depending on how well you're doing you might need a wriggles to survive the lane, but if you're not feeding her then a chainvest should nullify her damage almost entirely. If she commits with Lunge and burst of speed, Q, wither and walk away. If she tries to stick to you, just keep kiting until Q comes back up and smack her again. Remember that wither as a much, much shorter cooldown than burst of speed does, so once you have the damage output to actually fight her, you can punish her for wasting her cooldowns.

Fiora's gimmick in toplane is the amount of AD-burst she can output in the first few levels, riposte countering on-hit abilities and how hard she snowballs if she's fed. Like riven, she's a champion that becomes unstoppable if she gets a kill or 2 in lane early, so simply playing smart and safe ensures that your lane will still be winnable in a few levels. Also don't be predictable with your Q's, if she'sgoingin on nasus she'll likely do so with riposte active, whither and wait until it's down before wasting your Q. Good fiora's will level riposte first and that nuke is a very potent harass.


Also Swain vs Veigar is a funny matchup, swain has too much sustain to really get poked down, and speciallizes in killing squishy and passuve AP's like veigar. But on top of that, swain doesn't naturally stack tonnes AP like other mages, and builds much more tanky, so even with a tonne of items and gold he's still not going to be feeding into veigar's ultimate.

I've met fiora top 2 times. One time with lux (?!) and one time with rumble. Bot times I had no problem. just keep her from hitting the creeps so she regenerates and you should be fine. But I could also be incredibly lucky meeting noobs.

Naturally ranged mages would crap on her, but her passive really doesn't provide the sustain people seem to think it does. Her sustain comes from having a massive persistant AD steroid and a lifesteal item. Her toolset just isn't well suited for solotop, it's gimmicky and relies on people not understanding how she works and being unwilling to change their tactics to play against her strengths.

Also her Ult counts as an autoattack, so ninja tabi will apply it's %-based damage reduction. Additionally (and amusingly) jax's E will dodge her ult.

By "funny matchup" do you mean completely unwinnable for Veigar? Veigar can't poke AT ALL without landing a perfect stun, which is very easy for even a moderately competent player to avoid. On top of that Swain has enough life steal to heal the damage back that you didn't do to him. Getting in range to Q or R means that Veigar is in range for Swain to land his snare and completely **** on you. Even with Veigar's ult, you wont be able to burst him down unless hes at less than half health, and even then it will be extremely risky if you don't land the stun perfectly.

Swain can completely zone Veigar out of lane, and there is absolutely nothing Veigar can do about it.

Dafuq, how?

You can't play aggressively in every lane. If trading ends up worse for you then don't trade. In this matchup just last hit, get a DFG and then you can:

a) probably burst him all by yourself since Veigar with DFG does an utterly absurd amount of damage

or

b) call for a gank and then it's an absolute certain kill.

I can see that you can't outright harass a Swain out of lane with Veigar but you don't need to. Just CS and take the opportunities when they arise. There is no reason you should get zoned in that matchup.

Its not until late game that Veigar gets sufficient burst to kill tankier mages like Swain, well past the normal laning phase. You also can't land Veigar's full burst without putting more than a few levels in his stun, which early game sacrifices damage on his W or his Q.



That is if you can get anyone to gank for you. Pubs. And supposing you do that isn't going to stop him from completely zoning you whenever you aren't trying to gank him.

Why don't you try the match up a few times and see how it works for yourself.

These calculations are a bit rough but they make the point.

Swain's HP at level 9 with catalyst is about 1377.

With DFG you hit for:

- 30% of HP which is 413 damage.
- Q is 36 + 215.
- W is 60 + 120.
- Ult is 250 + 72.
- Ignite is 230.

I haven't taken into account magic resist and pen but I have also assumed you have no base AP, no AP from Q farm and only manage to land one Q when you could probably get in two.

That is 1396 damage overall. As I said, probably get a kill 1vs1, definitely with a gank. There are some mistakes I am sure but it's close whatever.



Yes you can. Only thing you need stun for is to land W and level 1 is sufficient unless they have merc treads and even with level two your damage isn't gimped that much. If they flash you can counter-flash.



There is no reason he should be able to zone you. Just last hit. He doesn't outrange you much if at all and definitely can't harras you under tower.



I've played it before and I'm sure I will again.

Your burst won't all hit at once, if you have a DFG he has a Hextech, he should have a healthy amount of MR, and pre-six you should have gotten spanked anyway. It can work, it just needs either a passive swain, or a healthy dose of Jungleganks.