How do you retreat further into enemy territory?

Goddamn Turkey. Just bow down and surrender already.

I'll surrender to you (maybe), when my Turkish soldiers have had their fill of looting the cities of Sevastopol, Moscow, and St. Petersburg, and had a nice little dance over your grave!

I made sure last move that I had an open spot to retreat into for precisely the reason that I expected you might try to attack Black Sea.

I'm pretty sure Mazrix is talking about the other game.

Regardless. Surrender, Turkey! You're not getting your hands on Sevastapol or Moscow, or any of that! Prepare for your imminent demise! I mean, of course I'm going to attack the Black Sea. A position in the Black Sea gives immense leverage over the region. Now that I have that leverage, prepare to rue the day you ever thought you could outwit me! Muahahahahahahaha!

The duck is definitely supposed to represent Germany.

Don't forget to finalize orders as soon as you've done the retreat or build order. You don't have to finalize during the normal move orders, but it'll keep the game moving on if you finalize with the retreat and build orders.

Harhar France! Despite what happened last year, I am still in possession of one of your supply centers. Eat me!

Also, Russia has *obviously* won 36507, and since none of us knew how to command the game, I think that it's not a big deal for me. 36705 is where it's at.

Excuses. I ****** up my 2 first turns utterly too, and now I control half the world. If you all want to surrender, I will gladly accept victory.

Also, any idea who
-Robtopus
-emmer
-Diomedes
-Knalkeez
are?

Last turn i only managed to move a single unit because of real life time constraints. I got called away while in the process of making my turn and never had the oppourtunity to return, so I couldn't defend spain despite the fact that it was obviously open and free for the taking.

This has been happening a fair bit and has been essentially offering you and germany free moves on me all game.

Oh Xenoc, ruler of the sad state of England, why do you insist on rolling over and playing dead? You had the guaranteed ability to take London back last turn, and you blew it. Big Time.

Unless, of course, your grand strategy involves letting the Germans and Russians take possession of your country. It would serve you right. They could probably manage your country better than you have been doing so far.

Yeah, unfortunately I've been working all weekend so completely missed a turn

Actually, it was a bit of a fundamental problem. I had the capacity to strike at both Marseilles and Spain and you can only order your units to support one in enough force to stop me. Eventually, I would roll the dice and win.

At least, I'm fairly certain of that. When Germany and I corroborated to take Marseilles, we calculated that it would work, we didn't just move in the hopes that you cocked up.

Sounds to me like a more forgiving turn-timer might have been preferable?
Also xenoc, I am ashamed of you.

It's 24 hours. It merely has to be checked once a day. The retreat and build times should probably also be bumped up to 24 hours for the next game, but that's really it. 24 hours is plenty of time to get things done, in my opinion : /

So what are the chances that Z32 (France) will actually wake up and move his units next turn? I've heard that "playing dead" (pretending to abandon a game) only to wake up and move next turn is actually a tactic some players deliberately use, to lull the other players into a false sense of security.

So England is no more. Germans bararians occupy the streets of London. Uncouth Russian troops are pillaging Edinburgh and Liverpool. Paris is burning, and the rest of France is next, and has in fact auto-surrendered due to not placing orders for a few moves in a row. The only bright spot in all this is that the fair city of Sevastopol has been liberated from its vile Russian oppressors and placed under the enlightened leadership of the beloved ruler of the Ottoman Empire. Its citizens now rejoice.

The extra supply centers gained by Germany and Russia because of the ineptitude of the French and English could potentially allow the evil Germans and Russians to claim victory. A concerted effort by those commited to opposing tyranny could yet stem the tides of the German/Russian hordes. Italy holds the key to the eventual victory of all freedom loving peoples. The coming turns will reveal who is devoted to the cause of liberty and justice.

Yeah, I lost Sevastopol. I knew it was coming. I figured there was no way I could pull off the same shenanigans twice (you have to admit that my spring defense was quite good), and I was right. You made exactly the move I predicted, but there was little I could do to stop it. I figured that keeping Rumania clear was the best I could do.

I will admit your spring defense was good. I should have anticipated it, but I wanted to go via Armenia so I wouldn't leave holes on my west side, as is now the case.

It will not long be vacant though. The fields of Rumania will run red with blood once again before long, I believe.

Curse England and France for not putting up a more stiff resistance to Russia and Germany!

You cannot blame them for being merely human. There was never a chance that they could have resisted the unstoppable might of the German military machine, led by its most revered, omniscient, and glorious benefactor.

I think you will find that France fell to effective co-operation between Italy and Germany, and had nothing to do with Russia, although Russia did indeed help in the fight against England.

However, now that that alliance is gone, it is Austria and Turkey who are next in the sights of the bigger alliance. We have double their army capacity.

France fell to 1) effectively deciding to stop issuing orders, and 2) having an ally who made serious misteps throughout the game, allowing Germany and Russia to accrue far more supply centers than they ought to have.

Admit it, you just got lucky!

I will admit no such thing. As I mentioned earlier, Germany and I have been working against the English since the beginning of the game. I basically guaranteed Germany a clear Eastern front, allowing him to use his resources against the French and English. Austria, too, had a hand in this by keeping his Southern front clear. I also assisted in speeding the process along with direct help from my fleets.

The same is true with Italy. By focusing on me, both you and Austria gave Italy a free pass to use all of his resources against the French. Of course they'd fall. Though Italy was not directly working with us for much of the game, it still turned out to be a 3 vs 2 situation (Russia, Italy and Germany vs France and England), which is why our alliance was naturally formed to assist in taking down mutual threats.

It was your senseless aggression against me and only me that caused you to give your other neighbors a free pass, which they used to great advantage. Not only that, but you gave them free reign to wage war against the same people. What did you think would happen?

You guys were only passive towards them rather than actively cooperating with them. Did you think they'd come to your help now? You should've asked for that assistance a long time ago.

It was the efforts of Austria and Turkey that formed this alliance, whether they knew it or not, and it's the efforts of Austria and Turkey that this alliance will end. There are many reasons this game turned out the way it did, but luck was not one of them.


And oh yes, to DeadMG:

The rules for retreating state that you cannot retreat into a province that was left vacant due to a standoff. A standoff is when two units bounce when attempting to move to the same zone.

So if Venice attempted to move to Trieste and the fleet in Albania had attempted to move to Trieste, you both would have bounced, leaving Trieste vacant. If Tyrolia had been dislodged that same turn, it would not be able to retreat into Trieste.

If Venice attempted to move to Trieste and succeeded during the same turn Tyrolia had been dislodged, Tyrolia could retreat into Venice because it was left vacant due to a unit moving out of it rather than a standoff.

Switcheroo shenanigans like that are entirely possible.


So anyways, who's gonna set up the next game?

The smart thing to do would have been for Austria/Turkey to ally with France/England against Germany/Italy/Russia. But, as Quizzles said, I don't know wtf Austria/Turkey have been doing all game. Whilst Italy/Germany and Germany/Russia were crushing France/England, those guys grabbed a couple centers and then went to sleep for four years.

Their inactivity is what caused us to win the game by and large.

I'm scared

You only have no idea what they were up to because you didn't have to deal with them

They were up to quite a bit. I think they fake quarreled to cause me to let my guard down? I'unno what was up with that, to be honest.

I think they were actually quarreling for a time and then solidified their alliance by fingering me as a mutual menace. By that time, though, it was too late. Events had progressed too swiftly on the rest of the map, and we had formed our alliance by the time they actually organized their assault against me.

If they had more time, they would have taken me down and could work Westward from there, encircling Germany and Italy while England and France act as diversions.

To the rest of you, though, I could see how it could look like they were dicking around over there. They weren't, but they were focusing their early-game efforts inward.