QoT can actually work pretty well in a 1v1. If you manage your upgrade points correctly, by about level 5 you can down or force the retreat of a similar-level DG in about 7 seconds. Given, she dies just as quickly in those situations, but that's what Bramble Shield is for!

On Spooky's build, yes as you know I play hammer rook too, and yes it CAN stand up to an UB. But if the UB knows whats hes doing the Rook needs to play at his absolute best to STAND up to UB. If he gets one death its over UB immedeatly(lol spelling) takes over if UB dies, thats not so big of a problem even if he feeds like a mad man he can still run. And standing up isn't enough, because an UB is way faster than Rook is and by that more usefull.

Really i've had this discussion a lot. But the thing is teamplay makes UB better too. "support"characters gain a lot from teamplay but so does UB, and right now they can't stand up toe to toe, and they cant come close to UB either since hes spits them to death(note that I dont say spit is OP).
UB is just a no-brainer. He's good in small games and just as good in big games. Short story: having an UB on your team is NEVER bad. Having a TB can be. Or a Rook.


P.S. if you feed a regulus he will get some big damage items, BUT hes still very fragile. An UB on the other hand will just plow through everyone WHILE doing insane damage.

Yes, that's the thing; U.B. not only dominates in duels, he also dominates in team games. If all other factors are equal, whoever uses U.B. will do better than whoever uses T.B., Q.o.T., or Rook. If there's a [demigod X] and a T.B. fighting a [demigod X] and an U.B. over a flag, guess which team will take and hold the flag if all players are equally skilled? It doesn't matter which demigod [demigod X] is; it can be Sedna, Erebus, or anything.

I don't recall; does bramble shield block spit? IIRC, if it eats the attack, the poison effect doesn't take, so the shield only takes the base damage.

I don't know, although from my experience it seems to still do the DoT. I could very well be wrong though.

Benny, yes exactly. UB is ownage in 1v1's, 2v2's, 3v3's etc. Ooze destroys opponents in 1v1's, and it only get better in larger confrontations. Sed+UB is the absolute best 2v2 set that I know of (I have done Oak+LE v. Sed and UB, and we got owned -- we were the Oak+LE. Granted, the other team was probably slightly better anyway, but the character choices didn't help).

The only real weakness that I see about UB is he isn't a general. But as long as you have one general send him a monk, that is no problem.

He has:
Great AoE v. creeps.
Unbeatable 1v1 DPS.
If he goes pure ooze he can stack more hp than anyone else.
If he goes hybrid he has a nice ranged attack to counter any TB/Reg who wants to kite and still get ooze.
He has speed boosting and slowing skills.
He has a naturally high speed.
Solid early game, good mid game, unbeatable late game (acclimation+ooze = unkillable).

I don't want to frivolously call "OP" but I really can't seem to find any good counters to him. I have heard a heal-spec Sed can hold against him (going to try that tonight), but even if that's true, she can't do so many of the things he can do (DPS, AoE, stun, she can't hp stack as much, she has no ranged attacks/skills).

Tower Rook > UB. Learn to buy healing potions. Moreover, he's ****** if you got a rank3 Healing Sedna with you. I find UB to generally be a bit of a one-trick pony: it's suicide to run into my tower farm, so he's stuck Spitting towers down for much more mana than it cost me to pull them.

UB's powerful, but I don't think uncounterable. He's just got less counters than most other Demigods.

Tower rook.......seriously?

Yeah, I'd say too that the direct counter to UB as Rook is a Tower Rook. But only in a 1v1 or in a 2v2 where both enemies are UB.

My advice would be to not rook in 2v2, but hey I liked to win.

Well, I won quite a few games as Rook on Prison against 2 UBs in Pantheon . Using a tower build.

Some players these days get the staff of renewal on Rook and throw down towers very quickly. I've seen it work decently.

It isn't a real tower rook if they don't have staff of renewal.

I read something on the Demigod forums saying that UB beats Rook in the field, but if Rook has a moderate (I think something like 4) tower farm, he can beat UB.

Uncle B. beats Rook one-on-one.

im sorry benny, but you're still rather inexperienced with the game and ive smashed my fair share of UBs with rook, and been smashed as UB against rooks too.

player skill > demigod choice.

This is true. And I tested Sedna with full healing spec and I owned every beast I met. Of course, partly this is because Sed is in the top 3 at least (probably top 2) of the current demigods, but UB is counterable. My prior uninformed comments notwithstanding.

Benny, another problem with countering UB is that he is decently easy to use at a good level. Other characters (say, rook) are harder to use at the same level; but that does not make them UP. Nonetheless, I personally would be ok with him being toned down a little (but not much) -- not as though I'm qualified to comment on balance .

To a large extentt, yes. But the skill cap in Demigod is very low, and some demigods are weaker than others. Once both players are at or near the maximum level of skill, a Sedna or UB will consistently smash QoT and Torchbearer for example.

oh yeah, definitely.

You can't forget, however, that demigod powerlevels aren't just a straight slider. There are good matchups and bad matchups, DG's that are able to fight others well and not. Sedna, for example, is extremely good at fighting UB because of her healing, she is, however, not so good at fighting Rook.

Similarly, a QoT has a huge advantage over a Tower Rook, but sucks noodles vs UB.

True. I'm operating under the hypothetical assumption that both players are "doing everything correctly."

If demigod has a low skill cap dota/lol/hon/whatever have even lower ones seeing theey have only 4 skills.


Anyway towerrook can beat an UB indeed but he wont kill him. And this being a teamgame UB can change lanes with a general and let them do the dirty work for him. Towerrook also cant gank properly and is easy pickings without is trusty towers. Yes full heal sedna can beat UB but again wont be able to kill UB. And introduce one minions general(thank you shadow) and he will eat them all alive. Healing Sedna can only heal isnt that usefull in a gank and they both suck later game.

Yes they are some demigods that can beat UB but they are either "very good" themselve or are specifically geared toward lanecontrol and suck at everything else.

UB beats hammerrook and here lies the biggest problem: hammer rook sacrifices everythin to have more damage more health. He is slow and has poor mobility. UB has a very powerfull ranged attack(which I would call OP against us few that play sqquishy asssasins without monks to heal it all away) is fast and has good mobility AND beats hammerrook.

You really have no idea what you're talking about.

I rarely take exception to what you write, but as far as I can tell you don't even play this game anymore. When was the last time you played?

Exactly 3 months ago.

Demigod was possibly the first game I ever tired of due to winning too much being one of the reasons.