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spuddyt

I'm always looking for games... 1650 elo solo q as of this morning too... What's your teamspeak details?

randomlegend · **Joined:** 08 Apr, 2007 **Posts:** 1608

spuddyt wrote:

I'm always looking for games... 1650 elo solo q as of this morning too... What's your teamspeak details?

We normally use skype now, but it would be great to add another soul to our raiding party.

I've added you on the client (I am Sethlans) and I'll grab you next time you are online and we can exchange Skype details (or get the teamspeak server back in use if you prefer). Or grab me if you see me first.

I would have added you before but I never realised you played on EU servers.

Z32

So I got a chance to try out anchorbro's jungling earlier today.

His start is a little shakey. Level 1 of his E does too little damage on too long of a cooldown to be of much use clearing wolves and blue, but his W breaks too quickly at level one to help much, either.

However once he hits level 3 and takes his second point in W, his shield suddenly becomes too strong for small camps to break and he just annihilates the jungle from then on out. I initially started cloth5, but realized after a couple practice runs that I was using 3/5 pots on wolves, blue and wraiths, and then never using another potion. So I've traded up to regrowth1, since a leash lets him clear without ever actually using the potion, and his mana sustains extremely well with a philo.

His ganks are strong. Not at the level of jungling maokai, but the long-range initiation and weak CC gives a high-damage laner plenty of oppourtunity to get the kill, and his W can do a lot of damage if your laner has CC of their own to help hold them in place. Once he hits 6 his ganks get much stronger, but his ult is on a very long cooldown that makes it hard to want to waste it on a gank when it might be down for a dragon fight.

He seems like a decent tank overall, i'm just not entirely sold on his kits CC. E is a mediocre slow (50% at max rank that decays over time), his passive is a 1/2 second root on a 12 second cooldown and his ult is the only strong peice of CC in his kit, but it's a 1-2 second (depending on level) stun/knockup. His single target disruption is great but in a teamfight it doesn't feel like he can do enough, and while his damage with W is relatively high earlygame, the AoE is comperable to malphites W and the damage becomes virtually unnoticeable into the midgame.

But moving aroudn the jungle by wall-grappling is neat as hell.

DaMoose

Veigar needs a range buff.

arty

Had a tough game DaMoose?

randomlegend · **Joined:** 08 Apr, 2007 **Posts:** 1608

Veigar just got a buff, I think he's in a good place right now honestly.

Ziggs. Ziggs, Ziggs, Ziggs.

His damage is absolutely huge, honestly I think it might be too much and he probably needs a bit of a nerf. The way he can spam him Q with blue buff is pretty broken.

However...

...anybody else just find him THE most boring champion to play in the history of the world? You literally just sit in the back throwing nukes and that's about....it. There is a bit of play with using his satchel charge thing to displace people or chase, and obviously his minefield is good for zoning areas but it doesn't exactly take much thought.

I played him yesterday a couple of times since he was on free week and honestly I had more fun the game after playing Morgana. That is really saying something.

arty

I just found out that I love Nautilus. Won 5 out of 6 games already. He really is a beast when it comes to killing someone on the lane. Though he has to be nerfed, he is truly too powerful.

randomlegend · **Joined:** 08 Apr, 2007 **Posts:** 1608

He's only been out like two days, he can't be OP yet!

Z32

randomlegend wrote:

Veigar just got a buff, I think he's in a good place right now honestly.

Ziggs. Ziggs, Ziggs, Ziggs.

His damage is absolutely huge, honestly I think it might be too much and he probably needs a bit of a nerf. The way he can spam him Q with blue buff is pretty broken.

However...

...anybody else just find him THE most boring champion to play in the history of the world? You literally just sit in the back throwing nukes and that's about....it. There is a bit of play with using his satchel charge thing to displace people or chase, and obviously his minefield is good for zoning areas but it doesn't exactly take much thought.

I played him yesterday a couple of times since he was on free week and honestly I had more fun the game after playing Morgana. That is really saying something.

This is why i eventually got bored of gragas. You don't really do much. I hear the consenus behind ziggs is that he's pretty OP at the moment.

ALso nautilus is definately not OP. I've been toying around with him and while his CC is good for initiation, his shield doesn't contribute any damage outside of the earlygame and he can't do anything to be a continued disruption threat after initiation a teamfight. He goes in, busts all his cooldowns to start a fight, and then just sits there, doing a decaying slow every 10 seconds. He's pretty much as bad as malphite in this sense except with even less damage.

I'm actually going to email riot for a refund today, since I bought his bundle on a whim. I'm sick and tired of buying a new champ only to have them be complete *** for 4 months before getting any kind of attention. it happened with skarner, it happened with volibear, viktor (both of whom are still awful) and it's happening again with Nautilus.

The cc in his toolset is simply too weak to function as a fulltank. He's got a displacer that doesn't prevent spellcasts (you can flash and whatnot while being pulled), a 1/2 second snare on a 12 second internal cooldown, a 50% decaying slow and his ult, with is a single-target 1-2 second knockup/stun and a 1/2 situational aoe knockup. After he intiates a fight, his shortest cooldown is his slow and his pull is the only non-ultimate hard-cc in his kit, and it's a single target skillshot on too long of a cooldown to be of much relevance.

I compare him to, say, maokai and I see 2 tanks who can initiate by singling out a single target, but one can do it much more often, and has an AoE knockup+slow on a 4 second cooldown. I'd try comparing him to amumu but that's not even fair for nautilus. In lane he brings nothing to the table that Bltzcrank doesn't already provide (but better). His pull is worse, he has less hard-cc to followup with, and less earlygame damage. He also can't take as many risks because he doesn't have the natural survivability of earlygame manashield.

When they were first talking about his designs, xephyrous implied that Staggering blow would be a 1-second stun, why they changed it to only be a half-second snare is beyond me, because his kit is extremely painfully lacking in any reasonable degree of consistant CC and damage right now for a proper tank.

spuddyt

Volibear is not awful top lane. I haven't given nautilus a fair shake yet (Actually i've barely been on the last 2 days), but I have a feeling you might be underestimating his damage.

Also, apparently xypherous' next champ is a new support, which i'm pretty excited about considering he makes all the coolest champs mechanically and they don't end up stupidly OP like ezreal's.....

(Ok i'm also a fan of anything designed by brackhar, but eh).

Also, stuff of relevance for the future

Phreak wrote:

A new support is coming "soon." Xypherous is designing him/her/it. He/she/it is going to be awesome.

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Jax I think just needs to be played more. People called Shyvana weak on release because she had no CC, but she's super good. I think Jax is the same way (though for different reasons, obviously).

We have a couple people here who want to look at Kayle again. I don't think the rework itself was bad, I just think we made her too weak. The spirit of the change was good I think.

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I think there's plans for more AD caster items in the future.

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Normal matchmaking works pretty much like this:

1. Matched on Elo, just like Ranked. This number is hidden, though.
2. Wants to get players of similar level (all 30s together, all 15s together, etc)
3. Number of wins are really not counted. Because if you're a 1500 player with 400 games played and another guy is a 1500 player with 2000 games played, you're still basically at equal skill. Someone has more experience playing the game, but maybe the other is more talented. You two have managed to achieve the same rating.

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I think an energy support could be cool. I don't know of any new resources immediately, unless you want to stretch that to mean something like, "Places an area on the ground; this other ability interacts with it." Technically that is a resource too . We have some of that coming.

NO I WILL NOT GIVE MORE DETAILS ON THAT CHAMPION

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I think role-based matchmaking, such as "I want to play a tank" is a cool idea. However, it can make things difficult. What's the box for "I'm roam twitch." What if your "I play tank" role was supposed to be jungle Maokai? Maokai gets banned and the only junglers you have left are Fiddlesticks and Nocturne. I think this is definitely a good idea, but I think it can be hard to do right.

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[Twitch, Eve, Stealth]
Can't give you really specific details. Live design is working on it!
As we get closer to it being ready, we will definitely provide more details. All I can say right now is that it is actively being worked on by our live design team.

[Xerath getting new passive?]
No. At least, not right now. We tried the "Deals more damage when farther away" but it just felt like you were wasting Xerath's abilities to do anything but max range

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We have plans for Karma. I think we didn't do as well as we could from a visuals stand point, and I think we didn't do her Mantra system quite right. A lot of what players like about our champions is how good their ultimates feel. We were very afraid of what a level 1 ultimate might do and maybe the abilities came out a little weak.

Right now Guinsoo is aiming to make her awesome. Stay tuned!

And a horribly generic yi remake is the next champ.
http://sotl.clgaming.net/board/index.ph ... hreadID=51

Z32

His ratio's are great, so as an Ap tank (or pure AP) he might do some good damage. But his base damages are absolute ***. The shield DoT is painful, but beyond the earlygame isn't not a major damage threat (meaning even a squishy champ could largely ignore it for the duration of the fight and not be afraid of dying to it. It'll EVENTUALLY kill you, but not in any real hurry) and the base damages on E and Q are ***. Even his ult doesn't feel like it hits that hard.

spuddyt

Z32 wrote:

His ratio's are great, so as an Ap tank (or pure AP) he might do some good damage. But his base damages are absolute ***. The shield DoT is painful, but beyond the earlygame isn't not a major damage threat (meaning even a squishy champ could largely ignore it for the duration of the fight and not be afraid of dying to it. It'll EVENTUALLY kill you, but not in any real hurry) and the base damages on E and Q are ***. Even his ult doesn't feel like it hits that hard.

Guess i'll wait 'Till free week to judge, but I reckon he might find some viability in situations where you want to gank all the time (Kind of inferior jungle rammus maybe?)

Oh, and also, according to someone on the test realm (Who is not working at riot), they are currently iterating versions of the stealth remake... so who knows, eve may actually playable in.... a few months.

Z32

His ganks are great, because that's what his whole toolset is made around that. But there are jungle tanks who jungle much faster and more safely (and are less susceptible to counterjungling) AND have stronger ganks. Why pick Nautilus when Maokai is a better ganker, better jungler and a better tank.

Plus, if you're picking him for his laning-phase gank power, then you're going to be sorely missing that 5th team member once the laning phase ends, because his teamfight presence just isn't up to par. When his ganks are just 'good' and his transition is terrible, he's just not a good pick.

I actually got a refund for him (along with viktor and volibear) because I'm just tired of buying new champs who look like they have really interesting mechanics and a fun toolset, only to discover that they're trash because riot didn't bother to make them worth a damn. I'm not going to wait for that many champions to get the skarner treatment.

arty

Please save me from elo hell..

An hour ago I had 1200 so I thought it couldn't get any worse. I do as normally try to be as friendly as I can while picking champions, though these guys thought they were playing normal game or so ("I go jungle! I will leave if I won't get it!" and so on). Still, trying to make my team get realise its ranked, I head in with my almighty Rumble.

I started up against Riven. No problems for Rumble, I start of with 2 kills after I think around 12-15 mins. This I do while bot is being a bit feedy and get serious harrassment from mid hero veigar who is doing fairly well. Trying to show them how to be a teammate, I start ganking bot, leaving top for the underfed jungler. (who ofcourse got smashed to smithrens by Riven). Ganking successfully bot killing 1 champion I head to mid to help. Akali (enemy mid) took the opportunity of my attack to kill full hp Veigar and successfully escapes the scene (instant flame from Veigar).

And after that is just history.

1185 ranked points now, heeeelp..

randomlegend · **Joined:** 08 Apr, 2007 **Posts:** 1608

1400-1600 is worse, because unless you are like a 2k ELO level player you can't carry 4 people at that level singelhandedly, but you still have to deal with braindead retards.

Lawl.

spuddyt

Just going to say my strategy of only playing ranked at very specific times is still working out fine for me with 15 wins and 3 losses this season at a rating of 167x

randomlegend · **Joined:** 08 Apr, 2007 **Posts:** 1608

spuddyt wrote:

Just going to say my strategy of only playing ranked at very specific times is still working out fine for me with 15 wins and 3 losses this season at a rating of 167x

Yeah I was doing that and was 14/2 with 1650 rating. Then started spamming games and went down to 1430. Still spamming games and on the way up again.

I reckon I can hit 17/1800 relatively easily. I don't think I have the time to commit to get to 2K+ range, though.

Z32

What would be a good time to play ranked?

In my head I'm thinking before kids get home from school. But that leaves me with college kids and stay-at-home parents.

there's literally no part of the LoL community I'd trust my rating to.

WNxWolfinator

Z32 wrote:

What would be a good time to play ranked?

In my head I'm thinking before kids get home from school. But that leaves me with college kids and stay-at-home parents.

there's literally no part of the LoL community I'd trust my rating to.

Holy **** do you /actually/ care this much about your ELO?

randomlegend · **Joined:** 08 Apr, 2007 **Posts:** 1608

Holy **** I got some trolls in ranked tonight :mrgreen:

Last pick randoms eve then calls jungle despite already having a jungler locked in. Then got a Rumble who went 2/13 top lane and constantly afk pushed ignoring all attempts from anyone to tell him to back because he was being ganked.

Won with someone jungling MF though :p.

spuddyt

WNxWolfinator wrote:

Z32 wrote:

What would be a good time to play ranked?

In my head I'm thinking before kids get home from school. But that leaves me with college kids and stay-at-home parents.

there's literally no part of the LoL community I'd trust my rating to.

Holy **** do you /actually/ care this much about your ELO?

Playing with better people means less rage in general though. In a normal game if someone plays jungle orianna I can laugh and lose happily. If I lose in ranked for it, I've actually lost something for their trollpick, which is kind of annoying.

Re: when to play, my rules are never on weekends, never if someone else might be using my internet connection (Probably doesn't apply to you, but as a side effect for me that means never pre 1am), never if i'm feeling tired, and if I lose one game I stop for the night and go play normals/smurf.

Also, I never duo queue because I find it puts more pressure on me to not fail if i'm letting someone else down.

Z32

WNxWolfinator wrote:

Z32 wrote:

What would be a good time to play ranked?

In my head I'm thinking before kids get home from school. But that leaves me with college kids and stay-at-home parents.

there's literally no part of the LoL community I'd trust my rating to.

Holy **** do you /actually/ care this much about your ELO?

It's not so much my elo (thought if I actually did care about it, you can fuckin' deal with it, nerd) as it is the fact that i play ranked because I enjoy the competative environment and how in-depth competative LoL can be with all the nuances to the metagame, matchups, counterpicks, team synergy and whatnot.

It's entirely a waste of time if I go into ranked looking for that environment and instead get instalock teemo mids and jungling tristana's. What the hell is the point of even doing draft pick if nobody is ever going to ban anything besides rammus/shaco/kassadin regardless of what they plan to run on their team and everyone just dibs their favourite role and instalocks a squishy carry while ignoring the enemy teams picks (and their own teams comp) entirely?

The last time I soloqued ranked was right before season one ended, and I don't remember anyone ever saying anything in the champion select chat besides "mid as xchamp". Despite the fact that chat should be where you dicsuss with your team who's best suited to what roles, what kind of composition would work best for you all, what champs are your ideals for each role, what counterpick optuion are available, etc. etc. I get the feeling 9/10 times I play ranked that I'm not paired with english speakers.

randomlegend · **Joined:** 08 Apr, 2007 **Posts:** 1608

Z32 wrote:

I get the feeling 9/10 times I play ranked that I'm not paired with sentient life forms.

I fixed it for you.

WNxWolfinator

WNxWolfinator wrote:

My entire team is consistently filled with turboniggers that don't know how to use a PC.

But so is the enemy team.

Pretty much sums up my LoL experience.

randomlegend · **Joined:** 08 Apr, 2007 **Posts:** 1608

Just have to stop worrying about everyone else and do the best you can. Try and curtail the arguments and trolling on your team and do the absolute best you can to motivate the team and win.

Some games are just write-offs but it's whatever. I have changed my attitude so much the last few weeks and it makes such a huge difference.

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